The speaker ruled the motion out of order.
The speaker took the point of order under advisement. [Intervening text omitted.]
Representative Merkt moved that Assembly Rule 54 (3) (f) be suspended to allow consideration of assembly amendment 8 to Senate Bill 663.
The speaker ruled the motion out of order. [Intervening text omitted.]
Assembly Journal of March 20, 1984 .......... Page: 983
Representative Johnson rose to the point of order that assembly substitute amendment 1 to Senate Bill 663 was not germane under Assembly Rule 54 (3) (f).
The speaker ruled the point of order well taken.
[Motion to suspend germaneness rule:]
Representative R. Travis moved that Assembly Rule 54 (3) (f) be suspended to allow consideration of assembly substitute amendment 1 to Senate Bill 663.
The speaker [Loftus] ruled the motion out of order.
Point of order:
Representative R. Travis rose to the point of order that the motion to suspend Assembly Rule 54 (3) (f) was proper.
The speaker [Loftus] ruled the point of order not well taken because assembly substitute amendment 1 to Senate Bill 663 was not before the assembly.
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Assembly Journal of March 4, 1980 .......... Page: 2440
[Background:] Assembly Bill 866, "relating to a 4-year phase-in of a 60% income tax deduction for capital gains and relating to capital gains taxation on home sales by persons leaving Wisconsin", was reached on the calendar. Representative Johnson asked unanimous consent that Assembly Bill 866 be referred to the Joint Survey Committee on Tax Exemptions. Representative Shabaz objected.
Point of order
Representative Johnson rose to the point of order that Assembly Bill 866 was not properly before the assembly under section 13.52 (6) of the Wisconsin Statutes.
[Note:] Sec. 13.52 (6), stats., requires the referral to the joint survey committee on tax exemptions, at the time of introduction, of any "proposal which affects any existing statute or creates any new statute relating to the exemption of any property or person from any state or local taxes or special assessments".
The speaker [Jackamonis] ruled the point of order well taken.
438 [Next item of business called up:] Assembly Bill 1098, "relating to the regulation of occupations and professions by the department of regulation and licensing".
Representative Shabaz moved that Assembly Bill 866 be referred to the Joint Survey Committee on Tax Exemptions.
Point of order
Representative Kedrowski rose to the point of order that the motion was not in order because Assembly Bill 866 was not before the assembly.
The speaker [Jackamonis] ruled that the motion required a suspension of the rules because the assembly was on Assembly Bill 1098 and Assembly Bill 866 was not before the assembly.
Point of order
Representative Schneider rose to the point of order that Assembly Bill 866 should have been referred to the Joint Survey Committee on Tax Exemptions under section 13.52 (6) of the Wisconsin Statutes.
The speaker [Jackamonis] ruled the point of order well taken.
Point of order
Representative Schneider rose to the point of order that the speaker must refer Assembly Bill 866 to the Joint Survey Committee on Tax Exemptions at this time.
The speaker [Jackamonis] ruled that only the assembly had the authority to refer the bill to committee at this time.
[Note:] In adopting its rules for the 1983 session, the assembly created A.Rule 45 (4), which provides: When a proposal, during or after consideration by a standing committee or during consideration by the assembly, is found to be without the report of one or more joint survey committees to which it should have been referred, the proposal shall be so referred by the speaker.
Representative Loftus asked unanimous consent that Assembly Bill 866 be referred to the Joint Survey Committee on Tax Exemptions. Representative Shabaz objected.
Representative Kirby in the chair.
The question was: Shall the rules be suspended and Assembly Bill 866 be referred to the Joint Survey Committee on Tax Exemptions? [Display of roll call vote omitted; ayes-7, noes-90.] Motion failed.
Assembly Journal of March 5, 1980 .......... Page: 2476
[Motion:]
Representative Shabaz moved that Assembly Bill 866 be taken up at this time.
[Note:] 1979 AB 866 was trapped in a "catch-22". On 3/4/80, the assembly had refused - 7 to 90 - to refer the proposal to the joint survey committee on tax exemptions.
At the same time, s. 13.52 (6), stats., prevented the assembly from taking further action:
.... "such proposal shall not be considered further by either house until the joint survey committee on tax exemptions has submitted a report, in writing, setting forth an opinion on the legality of the proposal, the fiscal effect upon the state and its subdivisions and its desirability as a matter of public policy".
439 The speaker [Jackamonis] ruled the motion out of order.
Assembly Journal of March 6, 1980 .......... Page: 2507
[Motion:]
Representative Goodrich moved that Assembly Bill 866 be taken up at this time.
The speaker [Jackamonis] ruled the motion out of order.
Assembly Journal of June 5, 1979 .......... Page: 704
[Time for reconsideration motion:]
The question was: Shall assembly substitute amendment 1 to Assembly Bill 275 [relating to authorization of Wisconsin credit unions to do business in other states and of foreign credit unions to do business in Wisconsin, and granting rule-making authority] be adopted? Motion carried.
Representative Loftus moved reconsideration of the vote by which assembly amendment 2 to assembly amendment 1 to assembly substitute amendment 1 to Assembly Bill 275 was rejected.
The chair [Rep. Kedrowski, speaker pro tem] ruled the motion for reconsideration not timely.
Point of order:
Representative Jackamonis rose to the point of order that the motion for reconsideration of assembly amendment 2 to assembly amendment 1 to assembly substitute amendment 1 to Assembly Bill 275 was timely under Assembly Rule 73.
The chair [Rep. Kedrowski, speaker pro tem] ruled the point of order well taken.
Point of order:
Representative Shabaz rose to the point of order that the motion for reconsideration of assembly amendment 2 to assembly amendment 1 to assembly substitute amendment 1 to Assembly Bill 275 was not timely under Assembly Rule 73 (2). The chair took the point of order under advisement.
Assembly Journal of June 28, 1979 .......... Page: 1006
On June 5, 1979 (Assembly Journal, page 704) Representative Shabaz raised the point of order that the motion for reconsideration of assembly amendment 2 to assembly amendment 1 to assembly substitute amendment 1 to Assembly Bill 275 was not timely under Assembly Rule 73 (2).
The speaker [Jackamonis] ruled the point of order not well taken because Assembly Rule 73 (2) provides that motions to reconsider final actions on amendments may be entered (1) at any time after such action is taken, on the day the action is taken, while the proposal to which the amendment relates is before the assembly during the second reading stage of consideration; (2) immediately following completion of the second reading stage of the proposal to which it relates if that stage is completed on the same day; (3) during the eighth order of business on the same day the action was taken; and (4) during the eighth order of business on the first legislative day on which a roll call is taken following the day on which the action is taken.
Senate Journal of March 30, 1978 .......... Page: 2223
[Point of order:]
Senator Dorman moved that the rules be suspended and that Assembly Bill 518 be returned to the amendable stage. The question was: Shall the rules be suspended and Assembly Bill 518 be returned to the amendable stage? [Display of roll call vote omitted; ayes-21, noes-10.] More than two-thirds having voted in the affirmative the rules were suspended.
Senator Dorman moved reconsideration of the vote by which senate amendment 1 was adopted.
Senator Sensenbrenner raised the point of order that the reconsideration motion is not timely.
The chair [Lt.Gov. Schreiber] ruled the point of order not well taken.
Senate Journal of February 14, 1978 .......... Page: 1702
[Background:] By request of Senator Parys, with unanimous consent, Senate Bill 568 was referred to joint committee on Finance. Senator Dorman asked unanimous consent that Senate Bill 568 be withdrawn from the joint committee on Finance. Senator Parys objected. Senator Dorman moved that Senate Bill 568 be withdrawn from the joint committee on Finance.
[Point of order:]
Senator Sensenbrenner raised the point of order that the motion to withdraw Senate Bill 568 from the joint committee on Finance is not in order, and that this motion is only proper under the eighth order of business.
Senator Flynn asked unanimous consent that he be recorded with the majority on the last roll call. The chair took the point of order, raised by Senator Sensenbrenner, under advisement.
Senate Journal of February 14, 1978 .......... Page: 1708
Earlier today Senator Parys asked unanimous consent that Senate Bill 568 be referred to the joint committee on Finance and the bill was so referred.
Before the next bill was called Senator Dorman moved that the bill be withdrawn from the joint committee on Finance which would have the effect of referring the bill to the committee on Senate Organization.
At that time Senator Sensenbrenner raised the point of order that we were not on the eighth order of business and that a motion to withdraw was therefore not proper. The chair took the point of order under advisement.
The chair has checked the rules and finds no written rule that restricts motions to the eighth order of business, although that has been the practice and precedent of this session.
The chair recalls that in past sessions, operating under similar rules, motions to withdraw from committee have been made at other times than the eighth order.
It is the chair's opinion however, that unwritten precedent or informal agreements on Senate procedure should control when there is no written rule directly on point.
441 In this case the chair finds no written rule either allowing or forbidding the Senator to make a motion to withdraw from committee at the time he made it. But there is strong
precedent this session, enunciated as recently as last week by the majority leader, that motions to withdraw bills from committee will be restricted to the eighth order of business.
Therefore, the chair rules that based on precedent established this session the point of order raised by the Senator from the 4th is well taken and Senate Bill 568 remains in the joint committee on Finance.
FRED A. RISSER
President pro tempore
Senate Journal of September 28, 1977 .......... Page: 1283
[Point of order:]
Senator Bablitch moved that Senate Bill 409 be withdrawn from the joint committee on Finance and referred to the committee on Senate Organization. [Intervening text omitted.]
Senator Sensenbrenner raised the point of order that the motion to withdraw from committee was not proper under the eleventh order of business and should be made under the eighth order of business.
The chair [Lt.Gov. Schreiber] ruled the point of order well taken.
By request of Senator Dorman, with unanimous consent, Senate Bill 409 was withdrawn from the joint committee on Finance and considered for action at this time.
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Senate Journal of July 1, 1975 .......... Page: 1032
[Point of order:]
[Assembly Bill 409, relating to the effective expiration date of chapter 157, laws of 1973 - temporary emergency energy regulations]
