Since the statutes require the bill to be referred to a standing committee after a report is submitted it is clear that the bill and amendments thereto are to be referred at the time of introduction and that rereferral of amendments after an initial report was submitted was not contemplated, nor is it required.
Tax exemption bills which are handled by a statutory committee similar in structure and operation to the joint retirement committee, are required to have only a single report and rereferral upon introduction of an amendment is not required.
531 Joint Rules 41 and 42 relate to preparation of fiscal estimates. Joint Rule 41 (2) clearly states that:
"Fiscal estimates are required on original bills only and not on substitute amendments or amendments."
Therefore, it is clear to the chair that reports are required under these rules only for bills.
It is therefore the opinion of the chair that a referral of senate amendment 47 to senate substitute amendment 1 to Senate Bill 100 to; and a report by, the Joint Survey committee on Retirement Systems, is not required and the point of order is not well taken.
Senator Fred A. Risser
President of the Senate
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Assembly Journal of March 20, 1986 .......... Page: 939
Point of order:
Representative T. Thompson rose to the point of order that Assembly Bill 54 [relating to prohibiting investment of public retirement trust funds in certain investments relating to the Republic of South Africa] was not properly before the assembly under section 13.50 (6) (b) of the Wisconsin Statutes because the bill required a report from the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems.
[Note:] Speaker Loftus agreed with a narrow interpretation of s. 13.50 (6)(a), stats., that the bill did not create, modify or make any provision for the retirement of "public employes". The speaker also pointed out that whether or not the bill was referred to the JSCRS would have not effect on the bill's ultimate legality "if passed and signed into law. The Wisconsin supreme court recently stated that the failure of the legislature to follow procedural statutes governing legislative consideration of proposals has no effect on the validity of the resulting law"; State ex rel. La Follette v. Stitt, 114 Wis. 2d 358 (1983).
After the bill was passed by the assembly, a similar point of order was raised in the senate. President Risser agreed with the broad view that a bill
affecting the investment of trust fund moneys had an impact on the retirement "system" and referred the bill to JSCRS (Sen.Jour. 3/26/86, p. 807).
The speaker [Loftus] ruled the point of order not well taken.
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Senate Journal of March 26, 1986 .......... Page: 807
[Point of order:]
Assembly Bill 54, relating to prohibiting investment of public retirement trust funds in certain investments relating to the Republic of South Africa.
Read a second time.
532 The question was: Adoption of senate amendment 1?
Senator Stitt raised the point of order that Assembly Bill 54 was not properly before the senate.
[Note:] Although the bill had passed the assembly without a report from the joint survey committee on retirement systems, further legal research had indicated that such a report was required under s. 13.50 (6) (a), stats., because of the bill's possible impact on the state's retirement "system" in the broad sense of that word.
The chair [Pres. Risser] ruled the point of order well taken.
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Assembly Journal of March 1, 1984 .......... Page: 837
Point of order:
Representative R. Travis rose to the point of order that Senate Bill 568 [relating to retirement benefits and funding those benefits] was not properly before the assembly because senate amendments 1 and 3 had been adopted by the senate in violation of section 13.50 of the Wisconsin Statutes. The amendments had not been referred to the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement System.
[Note:] In State ex rel. LaFollette vs. Stitt, 114 Wis. 2d 358 (1983), the court held that it will not .... "invalidate legislation when it finds that the legislature has violated a procedural statutory provision in
passing an act. Unless that claim is that the legislative procedure violated some constitutional provision or right, this court will not, under separation of powers concepts and affording the comity and respect due a co-equal branch of state government, interfere with the conduct of legislative affairs" ....
See also Jefferson's Manual, 3-p and 17-s.
The speaker [Loftus] ruled that, based on past precedents, Article IV, Section 8, of the Wisconsin Constitution and State ex rel. LaFollette vs. Stitt, each house of the legislature was the judge of its own procedures and he could not rule on the germaneness of senate amendments. The point of order was ruled not well taken.
Assembly Journal of March 1, 1984 .......... Page: 836
[Retirement amendment must be referred to joint survey committee:]
Representative Johnson moved that assembly amendment 8 to Senate Bill 568 [relating to retirement benefits and funding those benefits] be laid on the table.
[Note:] A.Amdt.8 changed the contribution rate for prior service credit.
Although s. 13.50 (6) (a), stats., requires retirement amendments to be referred to the joint survey committee, that statute cannot be a license permitting a single legislator, by introducing an amendment, to prevent consideration of a proposal by the legislature.
533 Speaker Loftus ruled the amendment out of order under section 13.50 of the Wisconsin Statutes because it had not been referred to the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems.
Assembly Journal of June 21, 1983 .......... Page: 274
Point of order:
Representative Stitt rose to the point of order that assembly amendment 4 to Senate Bill 83 [relating to state finances and appropriations, constituting the executive budget bill of the 1983 legislature, and making appropriations] was not properly before the assembly under section 13.50 (6) (a) of the Wisconsin Statutes because it had not been submitted to the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems for a report on the "Invest in Wisconsin" provisions. The speaker took the point of order under advisement.
Assembly Journal of June 21, 1983 .......... Page: 276
The speaker [Loftus] ruled the point of order, raised by Representative Stitt on assembly amendment 4 to Senate Bill 83, not well taken because the
"Invest in Wisconsin" sections of the amendment do not affect the Wisconsin Retirement Fund's employe contributions, employe eligibility and fund payments. Also, the amendment contains a provision which guarantees the rate of return from the general purpose revenue fund.
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Assembly Journal of March 16, 1978 .......... Page: 3862
Point of order:
Representative Hauke rose to the point of order that assembly amendment 210 to assembly substitute amendment 1 to Assembly Bill 1220 [budget review bill] was not properly before the assembly under Wisconsin Statutes 13.50 (6) (a).
The speaker [Jackamonis] ruled that assembly amendment 210 to assembly substitute amendment 1 to Assembly Bill 1220 was not properly before the assembly because the amendment had not been submitted to the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems.
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Senate Journal of February 4, 1976 .......... Page: 1644
[Point of order:]
Senator Whittow raised the point of order that the bill [Senate Bill 227, relating to exemption of federal retirement system benefits from state income tax] must be referred to Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems. The chair took the point of order under advisement.
Senate Journal of February 24, 1976 .......... Page: 1797
On February 4, 1976, Senator Whittow raised the point of order that Senate Bill 227 must be referred to Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems.
534 The chair rules that Senate Bill 227 should not be referred to the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems. Senate Bill 227 relates to federal retirement system benefits, while s. 13.50 (6)(a), Wis. Stats., applies to bills relating to the state retirement system.
Respectfully submitted
FRED A. RISSER
President pro tempore
Senate Journal of January 29, 1976 .......... Page: 1609
[Point of order:]
Senator Sensenbrenner raised the point of order that the bill [Assembly Bill 481, relating to miscellaneous changes requested by various state agencies, granting rule-making authority and providing penalties] must be referred to the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems. The chair took the point of order under advisement.
Senate Journal of February 4, 1976 .......... Page: 1639
On January 29, 1976, Senator Sensenbrenner raised the point of order that Assembly Bill 481 must be referred to the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems.
The chair rules that pursuant to s. 13.50 (6)(a), Wis. Stats., Assembly Bill 481 should be referred to the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems.
Respectfully submitted
MARTIN J. SCHREIBER
Lieutenant Governor
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Senate Journal of March 28, 1974 .......... Page: 2627
[Background, page 2622:]
Senate Resolution 44, requesting an opinion of the attorney general as to the validity of any law resulting from the enactment of 1973 Assembly Bill 1480 relating to teachers retirement.
Whereas, 1973 Assembly Bill 1480 relating to the state teachers retirement system and the Milwaukee teachers retirement fund was passed by the assembly and messaged to the senate without referral to the joint survey committee on retirement systems under section 13.50 (6) of the statutes; now, therefore, be it
Resolved by the senate, That the attorney general is requested to provide an opinion as expeditiously as possible regarding whether 1973 Assembly Bill 1480 is legally before the senate, and as to whether any law resulting from the enactment of 1973 Assembly Bill 1480 would be valid.
By Senator LaFave. Read. Considered as privileged and taken up. Adopted.
[Point of order:]
Senator LaFave raised the point of order that Assembly Bill 1480 was required to go to the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems. The chair took the point of order under advisement.
Senate Journal of March 29, 1974 .......... Page: 2686
[Ruling of the chair:]
535 As it relates to Assembly Bill 1480, the chair [Lt.Gov. Schreiber] ruled that the bill was not required to be referred to the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems, and therefore, the point of order raised by Senator LaFave was not well taken.
Senate Journal of October 9, 1973 .......... Page: 1675
[Point of order:]
Senator McKenna raised the point of order that Senate Bill 528 was required by statute to go to the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems. The chair took the point of order under advisement.
Senate Journal of October 10, 1973 .......... Page: 1691
Ruling of the Chair on a point of order raised by Senator McKenna that Senate Bill 528 was not properly before the Senate since it did not comply with Section 13.50 of the statutes inasmuch as Section 13.50 (6a) provides in part that no bill or amendment thereto creating or modifying any system for, or making any provision for, the retirement of or payment of pensions for public officers or employees, shall be acted upon by the legislature until it has been referred to the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems and such committee has submitted a written report on the proposed bill.
The chair finds the point of order well taken. The record of Senate Bill 528 indicates that the bill was referred to the Joint Committee on Retirement Systems and that a report was received with senate substitute amendment 1 recommended for adoption, and the bill reported without recommendation. Substitute amendment 2 and 3 were pending, but there was no indication that the amendments had been considered by the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems. While the statute is clear that the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems must make a report on a bill before being acted upon by the legislature, the statutes are silent on the need for a report by the committee on an amendment. However, it is clear that the amendment must be submitted to the committee.
Section 13.50 (5) of the statutes states that all actions of the committee shall require the approval of a majority of all the members. The committee report shows that the vote by the committee was Ayes 3, Noes 3, and reported without recommendation. It is clear, therefore, that the committee report did not comply with Section 13.50 (5) of the statutes.
Therefore, the Chair concludes that (1) a committee report must be received on the original bill with approval of a majority of all of the members of the committee, and (2) that amendments must be referred to the committee but that there is no requirement for a report by the committee on amendments.
Retirement systems: report by joint survey committee on
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Assembly Journal of March 9, 1978 .......... Page: 3544
Point of order:
536 Representative DeLong rose to the point of order that Assembly Bill 656 was not properly before the assembly because a written report on the amendments had not been
submitted by the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems as required by Wisconsin Statutes 13.50 (6) (b).
The speaker [Jackamonis] ruled that 13.50 (6) (b) of the statutes required a written report on the bill but not on the amendments. The speaker cited rulings of the presiding officer of the senate made on October 10, 1973 and November 9, 1977. (The complete text of the speaker's ruling will be printed at a later date).
Assembly Journal of March 28, 1978 .......... Page: 4049
Clarification of March 9 Ruling on the First Point of Order Concerning AB 656
On March 9, 1978, the Representative of the 44th Assembly District, Representative DeLong raised the point of order that 1977 Assembly Bill 656, a public employe retirement bill, was not properly before the Assembly because the requirements of s. 13.50 (a) and (b) of the Wisconsin Statutes governing state retirement fund legislation had not been fully complied with. Specifically, he maintained that this bill could not be considered by the Assembly at this time because the statutorily required report on the bill and its pending amendments had not yet been submitted by the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems to the Assembly Chief Clerk.
In answer to the point of order, the Representative of the 85th Assembly District, Representative McClain, Co-Chairperson of the Joint Survey Committee on Retirement Systems, maintained that the report on the bill required by law had indeed been submitted, that subsequently the bill had been rereferred to the Committee to give it an opportunity to consider amendments offered after the Committee's original consideration on the bill, and that while the Committee had not submitted a report as described in the law on these amendments, such a report on amendments was optional and not in fact required by the law.
