Speaker Pro Tempore Freese took the point of order under advisement.
Assembly Journal of October 30, 2001 .......... Page: 487
Representative Black withdrew his point of order that the motion to suspend the rules and that Assembly Bill 294 be withdrawn from the committee on Labor and Workforce Development and taken up at this time was not dilatory.
[Note:] This may have been a parliamentary inquiry, not a point of order.
MASON'S MANUAL
Sec. 230. When an Appeal Is in Order 8. An answer to a parliamentary inquiry is not a decision and therefore cannot be appealed.
Assembly Journal of October 30, 2001 .......... Page: 484
Point of order:
Representative Ladwig moved that the rules be suspended and that Assembly Bill 380 be immediately messaged to the Senate.
Representative Black moved that the motion, that the rules be suspended and that Assembly Bill 380 be immediately messaged to the Senate, be amended to substitute Assembly Bill 294 be given a second reading.
Representative Ladwig asked unanimous consent to withdraw her motion that the rules be suspended and that Assembly Bill 380 be immediately messaged to the Senate.
Representative Cullen objected.
Representative Hubler rose to the point of order that amending a motion to substitute a different proposal is not in order under Assembly Rules or Mason's Manual, Chapter 28.
Speaker Pro Tempore Freese took the point of order under advisement.
Assembly Journal of October 30, 2001 .......... Page: 487
Ruling on the point of order:
Speaker Pro Tempore Freese ruled well taken the point of order raised by Representative Hubler that amending a motion to substitute a different proposal is not in order under Assembly Rules or Mason's Manual, Chapter 28.
[Note:] Assembly Rule 68. Amendments to motions to be germane. Amendments to amendable motions are subject to the rules of germaneness in rule 54 as if they were amendments to proposals and amendments.
Assembly Rule 54 (3) Assembly amendments that are not germane include:
(a) One individual proposition amending another individual proposition.
MASON'S MANUAL
Sec. 64. Amendability of Motions. 1. ....There are limitations, however, on the right to amend, particularly with reference to certain procedural motions. There is a convenient rule by which it is possible to determine whether a proposal is subject to amendment. If it could properly have been submitted in a different form, it can be amended. If the proposition could not have been stated in a different form, it cannot be amended.
Sec. 282. Motion to Suspend the Rules
6. A motion to suspend the rules may not be:
(a) Amended.
(b) Debated.
(c) Laid on the table.
(d) Referred to committee.
(e) Postponed.
(f) Reconsidered or renewed for the same purpose on the same day, unless other business has intervened or there has been a change in the parliamentary situation.
A motion to suspend the rules may not have any other subsidiary motion applied to it.
Assembly Journal of October 30, 2001 .......... Page: 485
Point of order:
Representative Black moved that the rules be suspended and that Assembly Bill 294 be withdrawn from the committee on Labor and Workforce Development and taken up at this time.
Ruling on the point of order:
The Chair (Representative Duff) ruled the motion not timely because Assembly Bill 294 was already under advisement for a previous point of order.
Representative Black appealed the ruling of the Chair.
The Chair (Representative Duff) ruled that a motion to appeal the ruling of the Chair was not in order because his ruling was not made on a point of order raised under Assembly Rule 62.
[Note:] Assembly Rule 62 (6) Any member may appeal a ruling of the presiding officer on any point of order. When an appeal is made, the question is: "Shall the decision of the chair stand as the decision of the assembly?"
Assembly Rule 69. Dilatory motions. (1) When it appears to the presiding officer that any motion or procedure is being used for the purpose of delay, the presiding officer shall declare it dilatory and out of order.
(2) Two consecutive identical motions are dilatory unless significant business has intervened between the motions.
(3) Two consecutive motions to adjourn are not be in order unless other significant business has intervened between the motions or unless no other business is pending before the assembly.
(4) While a motion remains undecided pending the presiding officer's ruling on a point of order taken under advisement, it is dilatory to enter a substantially similar motion on the same question, but it is proper to request an expansion of the question under advisement.
MASON'S MANUAL
Sec. 149. Appeals, Points of Order, Inquiries
See also Ch. 23, Secs. 230-235, Appeals; Ch. 24, Secs. 240-246, Points of Order; and Ch. 25, Secs. 250-254, Parliamentary Inquiries and Other Requests for Information.
1. In conducting its business, a legislative body may have questions relating to policy or procedure presented to it for decision on appeals from decisions on points of order. Appeals may involve important questions of policy and, therefore, appeals may take on all of the characteristics of a main motion and are subject, in general, to the same rules.
2. Points of order are presented to the presiding officer for determination. The decision of the presiding officer on points of order may always be questioned by the body on appeal and the question decided by the body itself.
Assembly Journal of October 30, 2001 .......... Page: 490
Point of order:
Representative Hubler rose to the point of order that a second motion to table Assembly amendment 1 to Assembly Bill 579 was not in order under Assembly Rule 69.
Speaker Pro Tempore Freese took the point of order under advisement.
Assembly Journal of October 30, 2001 .......... Page: 491
Ruling on the point of order:
Speaker Pro Tempore Freese ruled not well taken the point of order raised by Representative Hubler that a second motion to table Assembly amendment 1 to Assembly Bill 579 was dilatory under Assembly Rule 69, citing a previous ruling from the Assembly Journal on October 31, 1985, pages 544-545.
[Note:] The ruling referred to above dealt with two motions to take from the table and noted, that under Assembly Rule 69 (2), two consecutive identical motions are dilatory unless significant business has intervened between the motions.
Assembly Journal of November 1, 2001 .......... Page: 501
Point of order:
Representative Black rose to the point of order that Assembly amendment 19 to Assembly Bill 579 was not germane under Assembly Rule 54 (3)(e).
Speaker Pro Tempore Freese took the point of order under advisement.
Assembly Journal of November 1, 2001 .......... Page: 510
Ruling on the point of order:
Speaker Pro Tempore Freese ruled well taken the point of order raised by Representative Black that Assembly amendment 19 to Assembly Bill 579 was not germane under Assembly Rule 54 (3)(e).
[Note:] The bill related to certified capital companies. AA-1 reduced from 10% to 5% the credit for certified capital investments. AA-19 deleted AA-1 and increased the credit from 10% to 10.0001%.
Assembly Rule 54 (3) Assembly amendments that are not germane include:
(e) An amendment that negates the effect of another assembly amendment previously adopted.
Assembly Journal of November 6, 2001 .......... Page: 521
Point of order:
Representative Krug rose to the point of order that Assembly amendment 1 to Assembly Bill 263 was not germane under Assembly Rule 54.
The Chair (Representative Duff) took the point of order under advisement.
Assembly Journal of November 6, 2001 .......... Page: 524
Ruling on the point of order:
The Chair (Representative Duff) ruled not well taken the point of order raised by Representative Krug that Assembly amendment 1 to Assembly Bill 263 was not germane under Assembly Rule 54.
[Note:] The bill related to special events campground permits for events held on town territory. The amendment related to those events held on town, village, or city territory.
Assembly Rule 54 (3) Assembly amendments that are not germane include:
(a) One individual proposition amending another individual proposition.
(f) An amendment that substantially expands the scope of the proposal.
(4) Amendments that are germane include:
(e) An amendment relating only to particularized details.
Assembly Journal of November 6, 2001 .......... Page: 523
Point of order:
Representative Krug rose to the point of order that Assembly amendment 1 to Assembly Bill 436 was not germane under Assembly Rule 54.
The Chair (Representative Duff) took the point of order under advisement.
Assembly Journal of November 6, 2001 .......... Page: 524
Ruling on the point of order:
The Chair (Representative Duff) ruled not well taken the point of order raised by Representative Krug that Assembly amendment 1 to Assembly Bill 436 was not germane under Assembly Rule 54.
[Note:] The bill required the department of transportation to provide transportation planning services in reviewing public school construction site plans. The amendment required those services when reviewing those plans of private or public schools.
Assembly Rule 54 (4) Amendments that are germane include:
(b) An amendment that accomplishes the same purpose in a different manner.
(e) An amendment relating only to particularized details.
Assembly Journal of January 31, 2002 .......... Page: 625
Point of order:
Representative Jensen raised a point of order that Assembly amendment 1 to Assembly substitute amendment 1 to Assembly Joint Resolution 2 was not germane under Assembly Rule 54.
Speaker Pro Tempore Freese took that point of order under advisement.
Assembly Journal of January 31, 2002 .......... Page: 626
Ruling on the point of order:
Speaker Pro Tempore Freese ruled well taken the point of order raised by Representative Jensen that Assembly amendment 1 to Assembly substitute amendment 1 to Assembly Joint Resolution 2 was not germane under Assembly Rule 54.
Representative Cullen appealed the ruling of the chair.
The question was: Shall the ruling of the Chair stand as the ruling of the Assembly?
The roll was taken. The vote was: Ayes-55, Noes-40. Motion carried.
[Note:] The substitute amendment required a two-thirds majority of each house on bills increasing net revenue from sales and income and franchise taxes. The amendment added gasoline taxes to the taxes that would require a two-thirds majority to increase.
Assembly Rule 54 (3) Assembly amendments that are not germane include:
(f) An amendment that substantially expands the scope of the proposal.
Assembly Journal of March 7, 2002 .......... Page: 751
Point of order:
Representative Carpenter rose to a point of order that the vote to take up reconsideration of the vote by which Assembly Bill 872 was passed, would require a two thirds majority for the motion to prevail.
Speaker Pro Tempore Freese took the point of order under advisement.
Assembly Journal of March 7, 2002 .......... Page: 751
Ruling on the point of order:
Speaker Pro Tempore Freese ruled well taken the point of order raised by Representative Carpenter that the vote to take up reconsideration of the vote by which Assembly Bill 872 was passed, would require a two-thirds majority for the motion to prevail under Assembly Rule 73 (3)(a).
[Note:] This may have been a parliamentary inquiry, not a point of order. A "parliamentary inquiry" might have informed the members as to the vote required. A "point of order" is appropriate only to obtain a decision by the presiding officer concerning an issue currently before the house. Had the resolution been adopted by a majority but less than 2/3, a point of order might have been appropriate. Because the roll had not been called, there was no issue.
MASON'S MANUAL
Sec. 230. When an Appeal Is in Order 8. An answer to a parliamentary inquiry is not a decision and therefore cannot be appealed.
Assembly Rule 73 (3) (a).....Any motion to reconsider such final action shall be taken up immediately if the roll call day on which it is entered is already the 2nd or a later actual day following the vote constituting final action on the proposal, but consideration of any other motion for reconsideration of such final action, entered on the roll call day following the day on which the final action was taken, shall be laid over and placed on the calendar for the first legislative day that occurs at least 2 calendar days after the decision was made.
Assembly Journal of March 14, 2002 .......... Page: 785
Point of order:
Representative Krug rose to the point of order that Assembly amendment 1 to Assembly amendment 4 to Assembly substitute amendment 1 to Assembly Bill 1, January 2002 Special Session was not germane under Assembly Rule 54.
Speaker Pro Tempore Freese took the point of order under advisement.
[Note:] No ruling. The bill was a 475 page multi-issue budget adjustment bill introduced at the request of the governor. The substitute amendment was a 455 page multi-issue substitute amendment offered by the joint committee on finance. The amendment authorized a decrease in the number of members on the Milwaukee board of supervisors. The amendment to the amendment permitted the decrease only if approved at a referendum and permitted the salary of the members to be decreased or the position to be made part-time.
Assembly Rule 54 (3) Assembly amendments that are not germane include:
(f) An amendment that substantially expands the scope of the proposal.
Assembly Rule 54 (4) Amendments that are germane include:
(b) An amendment that accomplishes the same purpose in a different manner.
(e) An amendment relating only to particularized details.
Assembly Journal of March 14, 2002 .......... Page: 786
Point of order:
Representative Krug rose to the point of order that Assembly amendment 2 to Assembly amendment 4 to Assembly Substitute amendment 1 to Assembly Bill 1, January 2002 Special Session was not germane under Assembly Rule 54.
Speaker Pro Tempore Freese took the point of order under advisement.
[Note:] No ruling. The bill was a 475 page multi-issue budget adjustment bill introduced at the request of the governor. The substitute amendment was a 455 page multi-issue substitute amendment offered by the joint committee on finance. The amendment authorized a decrease in the number of members on the Milwaukee board of supervisors. The amendment to the amendment permitted the decrease only if approved at a referendum.
Assembly Rule 54 (3) Assembly amendments that are not germane include:
(f) An amendment that substantially expands the scope of the proposal.
Assembly Rule 54 (4) Amendments that are germane include:
(b) An amendment that accomplishes the same purpose in a different manner.
(e) An amendment relating only to particularized details.
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Senate Journal of June 19, 2001 .......... Page: 236
Point of order:
The question was: Shall Assembly Bill 100 be withdrawn from the Joint Survey committee on Tax Exemptions?
