Assembly Journal of September 3, 1975 .......... Page: 1623
Point of order:
Representative Willkom asked unanimous consent that the rules be suspended and that Assembly Bill 385 [relating to the establishment of state recreation and wildlife areas by the department of natural resources granting rule-making
authority and making an appropriation] be given a third reading. Representative Porter objected.
Representative Willkom moved that the rules be suspended and that Assembly Bill 385 be given a third reading.
Representative Shabaz rose to the point of order that Assembly Bill 385 was required to be referred to the joint committee on Finance.
The speaker [Anderson] ruled the point of order well taken.
Representative Willkom asked unanimous consent that Assembly Bill 385 be referred to the joint committee on Finance. Granted.
Representative Willkom moved that the rules be suspended and that Assembly Bill 385 be withdrawn from the joint committee on Finance and taken up at this time.
129 The question was: Shall the rules be suspended and that Assembly Bill 385 be withdrawn from the joint committee on Finance and taken up at this time?
The roll was taken. [Display of roll call vote omitted.] Motion failed.
Assembly Journal of April 29, 1975 .......... Page: 668
Point of order:
Representative Willkom asked unanimous consent that Assembly Bill 213 [relating to agricultural commodity producers' payments to growers, granting rule-making authority and providing a penalty] be referred to joint committee on Finance. Granted.
Representative Willkom asked unanimous consent that the rules be suspended and that Assembly Bill 213 be withdrawn from the joint committee on Finance and taken up at this time. Representative Gower objected.
Representative Willkom moved that the rules be suspended and that Assembly Bill 213 be withdrawn from the joint committee on Finance and taken up at this time.
Representative Shabaz rose to the point of order that the motion was not in order because Wisconsin Statutes 16.47 (2) and Joint Rule 24 (2) and Joint Rule 24 (11) precluded withdrawing the bill from the joint committee on Finance and passing it at this time without an emergency statement.
The speaker [Anderson] ruled the point of order not well taken because assembly amendment 2 with its adoption became part of the bill as defined in Wisconsin Statutes 16.47 (2) and because Joint Rule 24 (11) was permissive not mandatory.
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Senate Journal of February 5, 1974 .......... Page: 2092
[Point of order:]
By request of Senator Hollander, with unanimous consent, Assembly Bill 876 [relating to towing charges for impounded vehicles] was referred to the joint committee on Finance.
Senator Hollander asked unanimous consent that Assembly Bill 876 be withdrawn from the joint committee on Finance and considered for action at this time. Senator Dorman objected.
Senator Hollander moved that Assembly Bill 876 be withdrawn from the joint committee on Finance and be considered for action at this time.
Senator Dorman raised the point of order that the senate body could not withdraw Assembly Bill 876 from the joint committee on Finance, as they did not have jurisdiction at this point.
The chair [Lt.Gov. Schreiber] ruled the point of order not well taken. The ayes and noes were required and the vote was: [Display of roll call vote omitted; ayes-25, noes-1.] More than two-thirds having voted in the affirmative the motion prevailed.
Senate Journal of July 26, 1973 .......... Page: 1504
[Point of order:]
Senator Hollander raised the point of order that Senate Bill 689 [relating to funding for the construction of intrastate and interstate bridges and making an appropriation] had a fiscal note and was required to go to the joint committee on Finance.
130 The chair [Lt.Gov. Schreiber] ruled the point of order well taken.
Senator Lorge appealed the ruling of the chair. The question was: Shall the ruling of the chair stand as the decision of the senate?
The ayes and noes were demanded and the vote was: [Display of roll call vote omitted; ayes-21, noes-9.] So the ruling of the chair was sustained.
Senate Journal of May 24, 1973 .......... Page: 1125
[Point of order:]
Senator McKenna raised the point of order that Senate Bill 203 was already referred to the joint committee on Finance and could not be referred again.
The chair [Lt.Gov. Schreiber] ruled the point of order not well taken, and the motion to refer to committee in order.
Senate Journal of April 24, 1973 .......... Page: 872
[Point of order:]
Senate Bill 25 [relating to leave for qualified prison inmates].
Read a second time.
Senator Hollander asked unanimous consent to refer the bill to joint committee on Finance. Senator Risser objected.
Senator Hollander raised the point of order that pursuant to the fiscal note on Senate Bill 25 the bill was required to go to the joint committee on Finance. The chair took the point of order under advisement.
Senate Journal of April 26, 1973 .......... Page: 896
[Ruling of the chair:]
As it relates to the point of order raised by Senator Hollander on Senate Bill 25. The chair [Lt.Gov. Schreiber] ruled the point of order well taken and that Senate Bill 25 required a fiscal note and would have to be referred to joint committee on Finance before it could be considered for passage.
Finance: report of proposal by committee of one house
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Senate Journal of March 13, 1974 .......... Page: 2435
[Point of order:]
Senator Murphy moved that Senate Bill 743 be withdrawn from the joint committee on Finance and be referred to the senate committee on Finance.
Senator Knowles raised the point of order that the senate committee on Finance already had jurisdiction over all senate bills in the joint committee on Finance and therefore the motion was not necessary.
131 The chair [Lt.Gov. Schreiber] ruled the point of order well taken.
Senate Journal of October 25, 1973 .......... Page: 1876
[Background:] The joint committee on Finance reports and recommends:
Senate Bill 107
Relating to deposits in the veterans' trust fund and making an appropriation. Adoption of senate amendment 1 to senate substitute amendment 1; Ayes 5, Noes, 0. Adoption of senate substitute amendment as amended; Ayes, 4; Noes, 0. Passage as amended; Ayes, 4; Noes, 0. WALTER G. HOLLANDER
Chairman
[Point of order:]
Senator Risser raised the point of order that Senate Bill 107 could not be reported out by the Senate Committee on Finance as it was referred to the joint committee on Finance. The chair took the point of order under advisement.
Senate Journal of January 29, 1974 .......... Page: 2038
To the Honorable Senate:
On October 25, 1973 Senator Risser raised the point of order that Senate Bill 107 could not be reported out by the Senate Committee on Finance as it was referred to the joint committee on Finance. The chair took the point of order under advisement.
The history of this bill, as set forth in the Journal of the Senate of February 15, 1973, page 439, is as follows:
"Senate Bill 107 Relating to deposits in the veterans' trust fund and making an appropriation. Read a second time. By request of Senator Hollander, with unanimous consent, the bill was referred to joint committee on Finance." (emphasis supplied)
This printed record shows unequivocally that the bill was referred to the joint committee on Finance. A reading of the Senate Bulletin of the Proceedings of the Wisconsin Legislature, page 51, shows clearly that SB 107 never left the joint committee on Finance.
Therefore only the joint committee on Finance could have jurisdiction over this piece of legislation. The point of order therefore is well taken.
Respectfully submitted,
MARTIN J. SCHREIBER, President of the Senate
Senator Johnson appealed the ruling of the chair and, with unanimous consent, laid the appeal over until January 30 under the tenth order of business.
Senate Journal of January 30, 1974 .......... Page: 2061
[Disposition of appeal]
As it relates to the ruling of the chair on Senate Bill 107, the question was: Shall the ruling of the chair stand as the decision of the senate?
Senator Knowles moved that the question be laid on the table. The motion prevailed.
[Point of order:]
Senator Hollander raised the point of order that, if by unanimous consent, any bill could be withdrawn from the joint committee on Finance, then, by the same reasoning, any bill could be withdrawn from the joint committee on Finance and referred to the senate committee on Finance. The chair took the point of order under advisement.
132Senate Journal of March 6, 1974 .......... Page: 2377
[Ruling of the chair reversed]
Senator Schuele called the chair's attention to the fact that all members being present the question was: Shall the ruling of the chair stand as the decision of the senate, as it relates to Senate Bill 107?
The ayes and noes were demanded and the vote was: [Display of roll call vote omitted; ayes-8, noes-23.] So the ruling of the chair was overruled.
Senate Journal of October 17, 1973 .......... Page: 1773
[Point of order:]
Senator Hollander raised the point of order that under Senate Rule 20 a Senate Committee on Finance is created, and that that committee has full control over Senate bills and joint resolutions residing in the Joint Committee on Finance, and that that Senate Committee on Finance may, by a committee report, report Senate bills and joint resolutions to the Senate.
[Ruling of the chair:]
Senate Rule 20 entitled "Standing Committees of the Senate" lists under (1) (h) "on Finance, five members." (3) of Senate Rule 20 states "The members of the Senate Committee on Finance shall be the Senate members of the Joint Committee on Finance. The chairman of the Senate Committee on Finance shall be a chairman of the Joint Committee."
It is clear that the Senate intended to set up its own Finance Committee, and in accordance with section 13.09 of the statutes, the five senators comprising the Senate Finance Committee serve on the Joint Committee on Finance.
The Chair finds the point of order by Senator Hollander well taken. It is the opinion of the Chair that the Senate Committee on Finance has full jurisdiction over bills and joint resolutions under the control of the Senate which are referred to the Joint Committee on Finance. This would not only include Senate bills and joint resolutions which are under the control of the Senate, but it would also include Assembly Bills and joint resolutions which have already passed the Assembly and are under the control of the Senate.
The rule otherwise would allow the Assembly members of the Joint Committee on Finance to control the independent operation of the Senate and would violate the basic concept of bicameralism.
Senator Risser appealed the ruling of the chair. By request of Senator Risser, with unanimous consent, the appeal was laid aside until copies of the ruling were distributed to the members. [No action on appeal?]
Fiscal estimate: not required
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Assembly Journal of July 3, 1991 .......... Page: 375
